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		<title>Learned ≠ Turned More Liberal</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know, a politician could change his mind on an issue because he learned something new, and not simply to pander to the needed demographic]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-3607" title="Learned ≠ become more liberal" src="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/flip-flop.jpg" alt="Learned ≠ become more liberal" width="586" height="528" />I’m tired of the phrase, “Flip-flop”. You know, a politician could change his mind on an issue because he learned something new, and not simply to pander to the<span id="more-3606"></span>  needed demographic. It’s possible, I bet. After all, if you’ve not changed your mind on an issue lately, it’s probably because you haven’t learned anything new lately. And no, NPR… By ‘learned’ I don’t mean “turned more Liberal.”</p>
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		<title>The Atheist Crusade</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Listen atheists, I appreciate and understand your position. When your lawsuits successfully remove religious symbols – mainly Jesus and the 10 Commandments – you count a victory. Indeed, allowing the state to endorse, or even seem to endorse, a specific religion can be dangerous - so much so that followers of religion should argue to prevent their own religion from being endorsed. It’s so important because if the state is willing to promote your religion, that means one day it may switch to another, or highjack the authority your religion might give over its followers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p><a href="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/athiest.jpg" rel="lightbox[1083]" title="The Athiest Crusade"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-1088" title="The Athiest Crusade" src="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/athiest-300x180.jpg" alt="The Athiest Crusade" width="300" height="180" /></a>Listen atheists, I appreciate and understand your position. When your lawsuits successfully remove religious symbols – mainly Jesus and the 10 Commandments – you count a victory. Indeed, allowing the state to endorse, or even seem to endorse, a specific religion can be dangerous &#8211; so much so that followers of religion should argue to prevent their own religion from being endorsed. It’s so important because if the state is willing to promote your religion, that means one day it may switch to another, or highjack the authority your religion might give over its followers.</p>
<p>Law suits aren’t the answer here though. Atheists, I know you look forward to a day when religion is only a distant memory. You imagine children hearing about Jesus and Buda the way children now hear about Hector and Hercules. You like to think the future holds a utopian world totally ruled by logic and science, perfect justice, and steady human progress no longer hindered by the belief in a higher greater power.</p>
<p>You have to understand something. You don’t have to even give religion one once of credibility. What you have to do it realize that religion, specifically Jewdeo-Christian religion, is an ingrained part of our culture. Not only were most of the first colonies composed of religious zealots seeking religious freedom, but the vary morality the free world is built upon comes directly from the<a href="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Atheist.jpg" rel="lightbox[1083]" title="Atheist"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-1091" title="Atheist" src="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Atheist-300x228.jpg" alt="Atheist" width="300" height="228" /></a> Jewdeo-Christian religion – The 10 Commandments. Indeed, the idea of valuing other people – life – was enforced beyond Darwinian empathy. This is easily seen in how cruel nearly all other pre-modern societies are/were who did not inherit these values.</p>
<p>Ending slavery, modern justice and democracy, and equality all have roots in Jewdeo-Christian morality. Arguing that religion is the cause of such things as slavery is counter to your precious logic, regardless of how convenient some abusers of religion may have made such arguments.</p>
<p>So spend your time on something productive will you? If your town puts up a display around Christmas, leave it the hell alone. It’s not unconstitutional unless Congress makes a law endorsing a religion. And remember too – atheism is a type of religion. LOL – I know, I know… You really don’t like that. Logic and reason, logic and reason. Seriously though, do you think all your current ideas will be seen as rational science 1000 years from now? More likely our descendents will see our science the way we see blood letting and the study of Chi and humors. Face it. Treating science as your religion is as silly as treating religion as science. And if you don’t want to keep acting like a religion, stop your bickering with religion.</p>
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