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		<title>Obama&#8217;s Fundamental Misunderstanding &amp; Downfall&#8230; Compromise</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 09:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Taking Obama's legislation as an example. He made one of the biggest mistakes you can make in a negotiation, and gave the Reps one of the biggest forms of leverage: Ability to withdraw. At first he though he had ALL the leverage, so they went after the Pelosi Special. But this scared off many conservative Dems, let everyone know the Obama administration was being belligerent, didn't include any Republican priorities, giving the Republicans that one big stick: Ability to withdraw and form a bipartisan opposition. 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p><a href="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Obama-compromise2.jpg" rel="lightbox[2927]" title="Obama-compromise"><img src="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Obama-compromise2.jpg" alt="Obama-compromise" title="Obama-compromise" width="700" height="328" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-2935" /></a>The trouble is competing ideology. Either side has a totally different approach to constructing the solution for certain problems.</p>
<p>But yes, indeed, we are talking about negotiation when we talk about compromise. Obama seems to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what negotiation means. Think of the whole opening dialogue with Iran campaign point. He doesn&#8217;t seem to grasp that negotiation is an adjustment of wills according to leverage. And the goal is to have both sides leave happy. He seems to think negotiation is charming someone into doing something that they otherwise wouldn&#8217;t have, without you enlightening charm. </p>
<p>The two sides should come together and discuss each others priorities &#8211; and make trade, like two kids trading lunch items. The more leverage you have, the more you can demand. That&#8217;s negotiation. That&#8217;s how business deals work. </p>
<p>Taking Obama&#8217;s legislation as an example. He made one of the biggest mistakes you can make in a negotiation, and gave the Reps one of the biggest forms of leverage: Ability to withdraw. At first he though he had ALL the leverage, so they went after the Pelosi Special. But this scared off many conservative Dems, let everyone know the Obama administration was being belligerent, didn&#8217;t include any Republican priorities, giving the Republicans that one big stick: Ability to withdraw and form a bipartisan opposition. </p>
<p>There was nothing keeping the Reps in the negotiation &#8211; actually &#8211; they were kicked right the fuck out. Remember? The closed door? </p>
<p>Ending the filibuster will just shift more leverage to the majority side. It won&#8217;t increase compromise in any way. It will only make one side able to demand more &#8211; or kick the other side out all together. This would be in the Democrat&#8217;s overall interest, because they&#8217;re &#8220;Progressives&#8221; and have a long list of big changes. </p>
<p><a href="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/obama+pointing+at+you.jpg" rel="lightbox[2927]" title="Obama Blaming others"><img src="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/obama+pointing+at+you.jpg" alt="Obama Blaming others" title="Obama Blaming others" width="335" height="400" class="alignleft size-full wp-image-2937" /></a>That was the fundamental failure of this presidency. He can try blaming others, but what really happened was he thought he could dictate change and ruined his position, in all of two months. Good work Pelosi. Obama could have pulled the other side in and ONLY passed solutions both sides agreed upon, and strengthened his position &#8211; validated his Obama mystique.</p>
<p>Think about that. Think about if he had immediately passed a short and easily implementable healthcare reform bill that first fall. A bill both sides had a stake in and showed some pleasant results that year. He would have earned credibility, and significantly increased his leverage for Phase 2. And Phase 3 might happen in year 6 of the Obama administration and look like a public option. </p>
<p>And yes, there would have been butt-hurt Reps over there holding out on anything. But he could have grabbed half or a third with an honest healthcare reform bill. They wouldn&#8217;t have had a choice. They wouldn&#8217;t have had the Ability to Withdraw.  </p>
<p>Instead he now has the record of passing, or attempting to pass, three bills, all with purely partisan support, and all with bipartisan opposition: </p>
<p>1. Spent $800 billion that didn&#8217;t seem to do one good-damn thing.<br />
2. Half passed a cap&#8217;n trade bill that scared &#8211; and is scaring &#8211; the shit out of business during a recession.<br />
3. Passed a healthcare bill against the will of the people and through the use of parliamentary tricks. </p>
<p>Bad economy or not, the reason Obama&#8217;s support has dwindled is this: He didn&#8217;t do enough for the Left, and the moderates feel like they got scammed. </p>
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		<title>Yeah Sure, Good Thinking Stupid</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 11:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So you might wonder how – how in the world can Pelosi pass healthcare reform with reconciliation –an obvious budget specific special exception? Well – simple: Congress includes reconciliation instructions in the budget directing certain committees – like the health, financial, or labor committees – to produce healthcare reform legislation that will hit certain spending targets by a certain deadline. This legislation is then stapled to the omnibus bill and sent to the floor for 20 hours of debate followed by a simple up or down vote.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p><strong>Reconciliation</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Reconciliation-stupid-11.jpg" rel="lightbox[1924]" title="Reconciliation stupid"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-1934" title="Reconciliation stupid" src="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Reconciliation-stupid-11.jpg" alt="Reconciliation stupid" width="290" height="324" /></a>One of the jobs of the Senate is to keep <strong>Bad</strong> bills from getting through. Think about it. Think about all of the highly contentious, arbitrary, partisan issues we have and have had that basically split the country down the middle. And think about the other possibilities of a simple majority rule.</p>
<p>The Senate serves as the bad-bill-block by allowing endless debate on the issues. So really serious stuff might take years to hammer out, and unfair stuff won’t get through at all, because you can’t take a vote until everyone is done debating or there are 60 votes to proceed. Blocking a vote by purposely making an endless case is called the filibuster.</p>
<p>In the old days, the filibuster actually involved a guy speaking for hours and hours until enough supporters for the bill dwindled out the door – killing any successful vote for it. But later, a general agreement was made that a filibuster would just be called and you wouldn’t have to perform the bladder/bowel exhibition.</p>
<p>Certain bills can’t be mulled over for years though, like the yearly budget. And often painful cuts and other adjustments need to be made to keep the national debt under control. I mean, seriously – think what a simply majority would do to the deficit! So in 1974 they came up with <strong>reconciliation</strong>.</p>
<p>“A reconciliation instruction (Budget Reconciliation) is a provision in a <a title="Budget resolution" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_resolution" target="_blank">budget resolution</a> directing one or more committees to submit legislation changing <span style="text-decoration: underline;">existing law</span> in order to bring spending, revenues, or the <a title="Statutory Debt Limit" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_Debt_Limit" target="_blank">debt-limit</a> into conformity with the budget resolution. The instructions specify the <a title="Congressional committee" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_committee" target="_blank">committees</a> to which they apply, indicate the appropriate dollar changes to be achieved, and usually provide a deadline by which the legislation is to be reported or submitted.”</p>
<p>-         <a href="http://www.senate.gov/reference/glossary_term/reconciliation_instruction.htm" target="_blank">U.S. Senate: Reference Home &gt; Glossary &gt; Reconciliation instruction</a></p>
<p>And what <strong>reconciliation</strong> basically does is limit debate to 20 hours, eliminating the filibuster option for the minority. <em>That way, despite screams from the minority, President Romney can eliminate gay marriage and welfare while President Palin makes abortion illegal and  institutes Manifest Destiny and subsequently military service to fulfill it.</em></p>
<p><a href="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/reconciliation-stupid-2.jpg" rel="lightbox[1924]" title="reconciliation stupid"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-1936" title="reconciliation stupid" src="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/reconciliation-stupid-2.jpg" alt="reconciliation stupid" width="364" height="308" /></a>So you might wonder how – how in the world can Pelosi pass healthcare reform with reconciliation –an obvious budget specific special exception? Well – simple: Congress includes <strong>reconciliation</strong> instructions in the budget directing certain committees – like the health, financial, or labor committees – to produce healthcare reform legislation that will hit certain spending targets by a certain deadline. This legislation is then stapled to the omnibus bill and sent to the floor for 20 hours of debate followed by a <strong>simple up or down vote</strong>.</p>
<p>This is crazy right? This is a huge nightmare waiting to happen. We aren’t the first to realize such a reasonable method to keep the cookie jar safe could be perverted into rationalizing that anything can be called a cookie.</p>
<p>That’s why in 1985 the Byrd rule was added, which imposed a set of rules for the reconciliation process, limiting what it can reconcile to legislation that principally affects federal revenues. A tax cut: yes. Some welfare reform: sure. A new Federal holiday: nope. But this leaves a bit of ambiguity – I guess; especially after Nancy Pelosi blows your record amount of political capital in your first six months in office and leaves you wrapped to a particularly nasty bill like Ahab to his wale.</p>
<p>The Byrd rule states that legislation is unfit for reconciliation if it &#8220;produce[s] changes in outlays or revenue which are <strong>merely incidental</strong> to the non-budgetary components of the <strong>provision</strong>.&#8221;  The trouble here though is that “merely incidental” and “provision” aren’t defined. So weather or not something’s affect on Federal revenues is “merely incidental” – like regulating insurers, creating a public plan, or funding abortions – is up to the Senate parliamentarian – an arbitrary referee.</p>
<p>Sen. Robert Byrd is now 92. He says the process was intended for deficit reduction and using it for health reform or cap and trade<a href="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/reconciliation-stupid-3.jpg" rel="lightbox[1924]" title="reconciliation stupid"><img class="size-medium wp-image-1938 alignright" title="reconciliation stupid" src="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/reconciliation-stupid-3-300x198.jpg" alt="reconciliation stupid" width="300" height="198" /></a> is an outrage that must be resisted.</p>
<p>But others make the nearsighted argument that health reform and cap n’ trade are deficit reducers. Or they make the argument that, if budget matters are too important to be constrained by normal Senate rules shouldn’t saving live and saving the planet also be exceptions?</p>
<p>Yeah &#8211; sure. Good thinking stupid.</p>
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		<title>Noisy Dove Flyby</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 11:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Only a Liberal would find this controversial. She’s a Conservative from Alaska. What do you think she’s going to do with the cash? Buy something with it? You give those people a rifle and a pair of boots - a few years later they’ve got a city with a shipping port. Watch, she’ll invest in some unknown little jackass somewhere and turn another baby-blue state red. Astroturf my ass… U-S-A U-S-A U-S-A]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p><strong>Scott Brown elected Massachusetts State Senator<a href="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Friday-News-Wrap-up-1.jpg" rel="lightbox[1685]" title="Friday News Wrap-up 1"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-1690" title="Friday News Wrap-up 1" src="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Friday-News-Wrap-up-1-300x225.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="225" /></a><br />
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<p>Do you think a woman who had posed nude could ever achieve national political office?</p>
<p><strong>Disaster in Haiti</strong></p>
<p>The only hope long term for Haiti is a deadly disease that only affects jerks. That’s the only hope for a lot of developing nations criminally ruled by jerks. The CIA got close with AIDS, but they didn’t realize back then that butt-sex and being a jerk were not mutually inclusive. Ah well, dreams for the next conservative administration.</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Friday-News-Wrap-up-2.jpg" rel="lightbox[1685]" title="Friday News Wrap-up 2"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-1692" title="Friday News Wrap-up 2" src="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Friday-News-Wrap-up-2.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="187" /></a>‘We are the world’ Haiti relief recording session begins</strong></p>
<p>These people need to be stopped. Send your money to Red Cross.</p>
<p><strong>State of the Union address</strong></p>
<p>I don’t know why people take Obama’s speeches to seriously. I mean, they were never meant to be taken literally. His message is one of hope and change. We can all learn valuable lessons from his speeches but – lol – you can’t apply those ideas directly to policy &#8211; that was never the intended purpose of his message.</p>
<p><strong> </strong></p>
<p><strong>Toyota</strong><strong> Recall<a href="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Friday-News-Wrap-up-4.jpg" rel="lightbox[1685]" title="Friday News Wrap-up "><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-1694" title="Friday News Wrap-up " src="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Friday-News-Wrap-up-4-300x190.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="190" /></a><br />
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<p>Yeah! Another fat-cat scapegoat! Yeah, let’s get’m! Whoohoo!</p>
<p><strong>Obama getting tough on China for trade agreement infractions</strong></p>
<p>I’m getting tough on my credit cards too. I’m taking a different approach though. I’m paying off the debt – or at least trying.</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Friday-News-Wrap-up-5.jpg" rel="lightbox[1685]" title="Friday News Wrap-up "><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-1696" title="Friday News Wrap-up " src="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Friday-News-Wrap-up-5.jpg" alt="" width="230" height="288" /></a>Underpants bomber now talking, encouraged by parents</strong></p>
<p>Wow Obama administration! Way to go getting the kid to ignore his lawyer’s advice. If only all terrorists had responsible parents. And thanks for telling us about it too. Now all of America knows how great of a job you’re doing protecting us. Hey, so have you gone ahead and put Al Qaeda on the list to receive your FUCKING news letter yet?</p>
<p><strong>Sarah Palin to receive $100k speaking fee for Tea Party Convention</strong></p>
<p>Only a Liberal would find this controversial. She’s a Conservative from Alaska. What do<a href="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Friday-News-Wrap-up-7.jpg" rel="lightbox[1685]" title="Friday News Wrap-up"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-1698" title="Friday News Wrap-up" src="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Friday-News-Wrap-up-7-209x300.jpg" alt="" width="209" height="300" /></a> you think she’s going to do with the cash? Buy something with it? You give those people a rifle and a pair of boots &#8211; a few years later they’ve got a city with a shipping port. Watch, she’ll invest in some unknown little jackass somewhere and turn another baby-blue state red. Astroturf my ass… U-S-A U-S-A U-S-A</p>
<p><strong>Healthcare reform bill stalled</strong></p>
<p>Ok guys, I get it. You got caught up in all the inaugural excitement. We elected Obama assuming “change” meant <em>a thoughtful approach,</em> but you thought we gave you a mandate to turn the country on its keel. So you went after you’re dreams: single payer, sky-rocketing business costs, and reduced carbon output. I can’t blame anyone for going after their dreams. And hey, at least you go that juicy stimulus!</p>
<p>But those darn Democrats, they got in your way. Single payer was compromised into single <a href="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Friday-News-Wrap-up-8.jpg" rel="lightbox[1685]" title="Friday News Wrap-up "><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-1700" title="Friday News Wrap-up " src="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Friday-News-Wrap-up-8-206x300.jpg" alt="" width="206" height="300" /></a>payer under a different name &#8211; then into a public option. Then even that was compromised – first into some fancy long winded name coined by Pelosi that essentially meant public option, and finally, a year later, into nothing more than a list new regulations – more similar to the Republican alternative to Hillary Care than the brilliant progressive stride we were all assuming would slide through. (Eh, regardless of the naïve math and unfunded state Medicaid mandates) And to add insult to injury, you have to buy some of those Dem votes too.</p>
<p>And darn-it &#8211; you could have passed it. Hell, you could have passed a bill covering sea lions FFS. I know you’d like to blame the Republicans, but shit man – you knew you had all the power and that’s how you wrote the bill. No Republican could have voted for that thing any more than you guys could all climb on board with invading Iraq! Or – wait. You got tricked on that one – hu? Well, you know what I mean. You can’t blame the dog you’re walking when you walk into a pole – even if he was enthusiastic about it.</p>
<p>So the question is: What now. Indeed, this bill is shot to shit. Stack that monstrosity on the back of the toilet in the staff bathroom. But what now? Should you pole-vault over the wall with Pelosi? Should you try to come to some reasonable consensus with a few reasonable Republicans? Should you keep this unorganized circus with your ring leader off in his own ring singing his poems?</p>
<p>I’m not sure what you should do. I’d like to see some actual reform though.</p>
<p><strong>Congress to cut funding for KSM trial in NY<a href="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Friday-News-Wrap-up-9.jpg" rel="lightbox[1685]" title="Friday News Wrap-up "><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-1702" title="Friday News Wrap-up " src="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Friday-News-Wrap-up-9-150x150.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="150" /></a><br />
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<p>Every time anyone asks Obama or anyone in his admin a question about trying KSM in civilian court, they duck the question and assure us he’ll be convicted and executed. So if this is just going to be a $1 billion show trial – why not just <em>“have the trial”</em> (wink-wink)? You know &#8211; take a few days off, <em>“have the trial,”</em> print up some transcripts and stuff, execute the bastard, and use the $1 billion on some new Predator drones or something.</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Friday-News-Wrap-up-10.jpg" rel="lightbox[1685]" title="Friday News Wrap-up"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-1704" title="Friday News Wrap-up" src="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Friday-News-Wrap-up-10-300x225.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="225" /></a>Don’t ask don’t tell – once again up for debate</strong></p>
<p>What part of “don’t ask don’t tell” is so hard to understand?</p>
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