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		<title>The Hypocritical Hypocrisy Allegations Of The Left:  I Want My Cake &amp; I Want To Eat It Too!</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 11:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The liberals cry out in hateful condemnation when Arizona wants to pass a law whereby law enforcement agents may inquire about a criminals immigration status after they have committed a crime.  BUT, they then turn around in total hypocrisy and cry out in hateful condemnation of Whitman, Dobbs and the like for not berating and shaking down their employees with 20 questions about their immigration status and citizenship.  Get your heads out of your asses libs!  You can't have it both ways. Either you think we should or shouldn't enquire about immigration status.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p><a href="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Jackass-liberals.jpg" rel="lightbox[2902]" title="liberal hypocrites"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-2907" title="liberal hypocrites" src="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Jackass-liberals.jpg" alt="liberal hypocrites" width="500" height="272" /></a>Liberals like Juan Williams, Gloria Allred, and Jerry Brown, just to name a few, have been crying foul over the recent incidents of republican, conservative, and independent candidates and high profile figures found to be employing illegal immigrants.  The two highest profile cases were Meg Whitman&#8217;s housekeeper/maid, and Lou Dobbs&#8217; landscaper.  Hypocrite!, the liberals have cried.  Juan Williams was just on Fox News the other night demanding Whitman was at fault and did not do everything she could have.  He said she should have asked the house keeper about her immigration status and citizenship, not trusting in the professional hiring agency that Whitman went through to get the employee.</p>
<p>The same was leveraged against Lou Dobbs by other liberals in the media, that he was the definition of a hypocrite because after speaking out forcefully against illegal immigrants and the hiring of illegal immigrants in the U.S. on his radio and TV shows over the years, he in fact employed illegal immigrants.  Liberals also called foul on Dobbs insisting he shouldn&#8217;t have trusted a professional hiring agency and demanded the workers prove their citizenship before hiring them.</p>
<p><a href="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/jwilliams.jpg" rel="lightbox[2902]" title="liberal hypocrites"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-2909" title="liberal hypocrites" src="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/jwilliams.jpg" alt="liberal hypocrites" width="300" height="400" /></a>Never mind all the liberals, like Pelosi and her wine vineyards, who have hired or been alleged to have hired illegal workers.  The libs do a fine job making fools of themselves without even touching the epidemic of illegal immigrant hiring incidents they have accrued.  Just let one of these liberals talk twice on the same topic and they&#8217;ll be uncovered for the true spineless cherry picking and truth hiding hypocrites they in fact are.</p>
<p>Case in point, Juan Williams.  He, like all the other liberals, scolded and talked down to Whitman, saying she should have given her house keeper the shakedown to uncover whether or not she was in the U.S. legally and was sanctioned to work.  The evidence is clear that Whitman did everything she could have and should have done.  She was the victim of a sinister smear campaign.  Juan and all these other liberals are the real hypocrites.  They want their cake and they want to eat it too.</p>
<p>The liberals cry out in hateful condemnation when Arizona wants to pass a law whereby law enforcement agents may inquire about a criminals immigration status after they have committed a crime.  BUT, they then turn around in total hypocrisy and cry out in hateful condemnation of Whitman, Dobbs and the like for not berating and shaking down their employees with 20 questions about their immigration status and citizenship.  Get your heads out of your asses libs!  You can&#8217;t have it both ways. Either you think we should or shouldn&#8217;t enquire<a href="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/chocolate-cake.jpg" rel="lightbox[2902]" title="liberals want cake and to eat it too!"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2913" title="liberals want cake and to eat it too!" src="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/chocolate-cake-300x284.jpg" alt="liberals want cake and to eat it too!" width="300" height="284" /></a>aboutimmigration status.  Grow some balls and pick one damit, and then take a stand on that ONE side of the argument.  We don&#8217;t need any more two faced political chameleons mucking up the waters.  You libs are the ultimate hypocrites.  If you&#8217;re not whirling the hypocrite label around at others, whilst stewing in it yourself, you&#8217;re tossing out the racism card.  THIS is why the people of the country are tossing your asses out in November.  Get your heads out of the ground libs, because the wave of change and real republic is rushing your way.</p>
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		<title>Az Takes On Illegal Immigration</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 11:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Obama is part of a group that doesn’t like that illegal immigration is illegal. Instead of trying to make wonder-in immigration legal, Obama’s group over the years has made enforcing immigration laws exceedingly difficult – that’s why illegal immigration is so popular among immigrants.

Arizona’s new law simply makes illegal immigration illegal under Arizona law, and requires officers to check citizenship status if there is probable cause to believe a suspect is an illegal immigrant. So essentially this law is undoing Progressive efforts to make a law they don’t agree with unenforceable. Obama doesn’t like that so he’s propped up one of his Straw Men again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p><a href="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/arizona-takes-illegal-immigration-into-own-hands.jpg" rel="lightbox[2239]" title="arizona takes illegal immigration into own hands"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2245" title="arizona takes illegal immigration into own hands" src="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/arizona-takes-illegal-immigration-into-own-hands-300x169.jpg" alt="arizona takes illegal immigration into own hands" width="300" height="169" /></a><em>Dear Noisy Dove, </em></p>
<p><em>The recently passed illegal immigration law in Arizona is apparently <a title="http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/arizona/70_of_arizona_voters_favor_new_state_measure_cracking_down_on_illegal_immigration" href="http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/arizona/70_of_arizona_voters_favor_new_state_measure_cracking_down_on_illegal_immigration">supported  by 70%</a> of the state&#8217;s voters, yet President Obama in a public ceremony  called the bill, and so the people, <a title="http://preview.bloomberg.com/news/2010-04-23/obama-calls-for-immigration-law-overhaul-after-misguided-arizona-action.html" href="http://preview.bloomberg.com/news/2010-04-23/obama-calls-for-immigration-law-overhaul-after-misguided-arizona-action.html">misguided</a>.  He spoke generally of a different kind of reform needed. What sort would that  be? &#8230;other than writing out a US birth certificate for anyone who wants one.</em></p>
<p>Obama is part of a group that doesn’t like that illegal immigration is illegal. (this group also likes to scare Latinos and other minorities away from the Republican vote) Instead of trying to make wander-in immigration legal, Obama’s group over the years has made enforcing immigration laws exceedingly difficult – that’s why illegal immigration is so popular among immigrants.</p>
<p>Arizona’s new law simply makes <strong>illegal</strong> immigration <strong>illegal</strong> under Arizona law, and requires officers to check citizenship status if there is probable cause to believe a suspect is an illegal immigrant. So essentially this law is undoing Progressive efforts to make a law they don’t agree with unenforceable. Obama doesn’t like that so he’s propped up one of his Straw Men again.</p>
<p>Obama can’t argue the logic of the law. AZ has half a million illegal immigrants and the number is growing while Mexican drug violence is seeping over the border. Schools are crowded and hurting for funds while parents are unemployed or under employed watching debt and taxes rise and incomes fall. And the Federal government refuses to secure the border. What does he expect a border State to do?</p>
<p>Obama’s Straw Man in this case is the usual Liberal argument against most anything they can’t counter logically: <strong>Racial</strong>. He calls it irresponsible and misguided &#8211; something that will: “undermine basic notions of fairness that we cherish as Americans, as well as the trust between police and their communities that is so crucial to keeping us safe.”</p>
<p><a href="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/arizona-illiegal-immigrants.jpg" rel="lightbox[2239]" title="arizona illiegal immigrants"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-2247" title="arizona illiegal immigrants" src="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/arizona-illiegal-immigrants-300x242.jpg" alt="arizona illegal immigrants" width="300" height="242" /></a>What I call irresponsible is an insecure border that leaks thousands of illegal immigrants per day. What’s misguided is hampering law enforcement because you disagree with a law. One notion of fairness that many Americans cherish – especially legal immigrants – is the notion that anyone can become an American if they’re willing to go through the process. (not many countries allow this). And one thing that undermines trust between police and their communities is overburdening the police with hundreds of unidentifiable people entering those communities on a daily basis and then limiting how police can go about enforcing laws that are clearly and blatantly being broken.</p>
<p>Fundamentally, I think it’s lofty, arrogant, and un-American for the Federal government to tell a <strong>border</strong> state how it should or shouldn’t enforce immigration laws, within reason. <strong>And within reason, there is no smaller thing one can do to enforce immigration law than to require a police officer to check citizenship status when that officer has serious reason to question citizenship.</strong></p>
<p>Obama also argues that this law is an example of why the Fed needs to pass immigration reform – to prevent more state laws from appearing that make a Federal law also a State law and require State enforcement. This would be a sound argument – although contradictory &#8211; if he were planning anything more than a soft political give-away.</p>
<p>What needs to happen first is our borders need to be secured. Right now this will require the National Guard, and is an optimal job for them. I would have disagreed with this a few years ago. Militarizing the border between us and one of our closest allies is bad for relations, and just looks jackassish. But things are getting serious. Ranchers have trash laden paths through their property and some are taking border security into their own hands. Mexico is fighting what is essentially an insurgency, which is coming over our weak border. And of course, we have unidentifiable people and illegal drugs poring through.</p>
<p>Long term, a serious barrier needs to be constructed. The border fence idea was good, but the contractors screwed<a href="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/arizona-immigration-law.jpg" rel="lightbox[2239]" title="arizona immigration law"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2249" title="arizona immigration law" src="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/arizona-immigration-law-300x300.jpg" alt="arizona immigration law" width="300" height="300" /></a> it up. Regardless, a triple barrier with a road running down it would be ideal, along with ever improving surveillance equipment. It doesn’t matter how well you’re catching illegals if they’re pouring back in just as fast.</p>
<p>Next would be dealing with the current illegal immigrants. Now, I understand <strong>Amnesty</strong> is a bad word. But seriously, a society like ours, in most cases, is going to offer some type of stream-lined path to established illegal immigrants, it just is, that’s just how we are. The key to amnesty not breaking our society down is to observe step 1: Secure the borders.</p>
<p>Once the border is secure, and the current illegals are given amnesty or shipped off, we can then look at current immigration law. According to many farmers – for example – migrant workers are essential to their business. These workers are often undocumented and the jobs they do won’t be had by citizens. So certainly, a migrant worker program could be helpful.</p>
<p>The path to citizenship could also be examined, because bottom line, when people are literally risking life and limb to get here with the purpose of building a better and honest life, the legal path should be at least competitive with the shark-infested and 50-mile-desert-walk options.</p>
<p>As for the Arizona law’s probable affect, I agree with Squab Dove:</p>
<blockquote><p><em><a href="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Squab-Dove.jpg" rel="lightbox[2239]" title="Squab Dove"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-2253" title="Squab Dove" src="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Squab-Dove.jpg" alt="Squab Dove" width="75" height="75" /></a>I say let&#8217;s see the arizona law in practice and see if the proof is in the pudding.  Maybe this new law will be really effective.  Maybe totally useless.  who knows.  AT LEAST Arizona is bucking up and doing something.  They are taking charge, as they should be.  Its good not to rely on the fed too much.  I think we need the states taking matters into their own hands more.  This is different though to some degree because it is the national border and hence a matter of national security.  So the fed should be asking Arizona what they need and how the fed can support their efforts to secure the border, not calling them misguided and offering shit on a stick as an alternate solution, or worse, amnesty&#8230;</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Instead of vilifying AZ and talking about irresponsibility and boycotts for one’s own personal political gain, one should embrace such ideas as part of the 50 laboratories of democracy, freedom, and prosperity we have here – one of our greatest and least utilized strengths. And after implementation, let’s be honest about the results. *cynical laugh*</p>
<p><a href="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/obama-hammers-arizona-immigration-law.jpg" rel="lightbox[2239]" title="obama hammers arizona immigration law"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-2251" title="obama hammers arizona immigration law" src="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/obama-hammers-arizona-immigration-law-300x225.jpg" alt="obama hammers arizona immigration law" width="300" height="225" /></a>Something has to be done, and what has to be done isn’t going to be soft or pretty and will require more than creating new bureaucracy and shoveling more money – which is all this Leftist Congress will do.</p>
<p>And listen – Republicans – take it easy on this one. Don’t go getting all blustered over <strong>amnesty</strong>. Who cares, seriously. The Latino voting block is a perfect fit under the Republican tenants. Don’t let the Liberals paint you as anti-Latino bigots. They’re already picking recent immigrants off with all these lofty entitlement promises. In other words, if you need political points in your district, and you have Latinos, don’t hammer on <strong>amnesty</strong>. The key is border security and only hippies and modern Socialists will argue with that.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Only a Liberal would find this controversial. She’s a Conservative from Alaska. What do you think she’s going to do with the cash? Buy something with it? You give those people a rifle and a pair of boots - a few years later they’ve got a city with a shipping port. Watch, she’ll invest in some unknown little jackass somewhere and turn another baby-blue state red. Astroturf my ass… U-S-A U-S-A U-S-A]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p><strong>Scott Brown elected Massachusetts State Senator<a href="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Friday-News-Wrap-up-1.jpg" rel="lightbox[1685]" title="Friday News Wrap-up 1"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-1690" title="Friday News Wrap-up 1" src="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Friday-News-Wrap-up-1-300x225.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="225" /></a><br />
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<p>Do you think a woman who had posed nude could ever achieve national political office?</p>
<p><strong>Disaster in Haiti</strong></p>
<p>The only hope long term for Haiti is a deadly disease that only affects jerks. That’s the only hope for a lot of developing nations criminally ruled by jerks. The CIA got close with AIDS, but they didn’t realize back then that butt-sex and being a jerk were not mutually inclusive. Ah well, dreams for the next conservative administration.</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Friday-News-Wrap-up-2.jpg" rel="lightbox[1685]" title="Friday News Wrap-up 2"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-1692" title="Friday News Wrap-up 2" src="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Friday-News-Wrap-up-2.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="187" /></a>‘We are the world’ Haiti relief recording session begins</strong></p>
<p>These people need to be stopped. Send your money to Red Cross.</p>
<p><strong>State of the Union address</strong></p>
<p>I don’t know why people take Obama’s speeches to seriously. I mean, they were never meant to be taken literally. His message is one of hope and change. We can all learn valuable lessons from his speeches but – lol – you can’t apply those ideas directly to policy &#8211; that was never the intended purpose of his message.</p>
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<p><strong>Toyota</strong><strong> Recall<a href="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Friday-News-Wrap-up-4.jpg" rel="lightbox[1685]" title="Friday News Wrap-up "><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-1694" title="Friday News Wrap-up " src="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Friday-News-Wrap-up-4-300x190.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="190" /></a><br />
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<p>Yeah! Another fat-cat scapegoat! Yeah, let’s get’m! Whoohoo!</p>
<p><strong>Obama getting tough on China for trade agreement infractions</strong></p>
<p>I’m getting tough on my credit cards too. I’m taking a different approach though. I’m paying off the debt – or at least trying.</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Friday-News-Wrap-up-5.jpg" rel="lightbox[1685]" title="Friday News Wrap-up "><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-1696" title="Friday News Wrap-up " src="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Friday-News-Wrap-up-5.jpg" alt="" width="230" height="288" /></a>Underpants bomber now talking, encouraged by parents</strong></p>
<p>Wow Obama administration! Way to go getting the kid to ignore his lawyer’s advice. If only all terrorists had responsible parents. And thanks for telling us about it too. Now all of America knows how great of a job you’re doing protecting us. Hey, so have you gone ahead and put Al Qaeda on the list to receive your FUCKING news letter yet?</p>
<p><strong>Sarah Palin to receive $100k speaking fee for Tea Party Convention</strong></p>
<p>Only a Liberal would find this controversial. She’s a Conservative from Alaska. What do<a href="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Friday-News-Wrap-up-7.jpg" rel="lightbox[1685]" title="Friday News Wrap-up"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-1698" title="Friday News Wrap-up" src="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Friday-News-Wrap-up-7-209x300.jpg" alt="" width="209" height="300" /></a> you think she’s going to do with the cash? Buy something with it? You give those people a rifle and a pair of boots &#8211; a few years later they’ve got a city with a shipping port. Watch, she’ll invest in some unknown little jackass somewhere and turn another baby-blue state red. Astroturf my ass… U-S-A U-S-A U-S-A</p>
<p><strong>Healthcare reform bill stalled</strong></p>
<p>Ok guys, I get it. You got caught up in all the inaugural excitement. We elected Obama assuming “change” meant <em>a thoughtful approach,</em> but you thought we gave you a mandate to turn the country on its keel. So you went after you’re dreams: single payer, sky-rocketing business costs, and reduced carbon output. I can’t blame anyone for going after their dreams. And hey, at least you go that juicy stimulus!</p>
<p>But those darn Democrats, they got in your way. Single payer was compromised into single <a href="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Friday-News-Wrap-up-8.jpg" rel="lightbox[1685]" title="Friday News Wrap-up "><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-1700" title="Friday News Wrap-up " src="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Friday-News-Wrap-up-8-206x300.jpg" alt="" width="206" height="300" /></a>payer under a different name &#8211; then into a public option. Then even that was compromised – first into some fancy long winded name coined by Pelosi that essentially meant public option, and finally, a year later, into nothing more than a list new regulations – more similar to the Republican alternative to Hillary Care than the brilliant progressive stride we were all assuming would slide through. (Eh, regardless of the naïve math and unfunded state Medicaid mandates) And to add insult to injury, you have to buy some of those Dem votes too.</p>
<p>And darn-it &#8211; you could have passed it. Hell, you could have passed a bill covering sea lions FFS. I know you’d like to blame the Republicans, but shit man – you knew you had all the power and that’s how you wrote the bill. No Republican could have voted for that thing any more than you guys could all climb on board with invading Iraq! Or – wait. You got tricked on that one – hu? Well, you know what I mean. You can’t blame the dog you’re walking when you walk into a pole – even if he was enthusiastic about it.</p>
<p>So the question is: What now. Indeed, this bill is shot to shit. Stack that monstrosity on the back of the toilet in the staff bathroom. But what now? Should you pole-vault over the wall with Pelosi? Should you try to come to some reasonable consensus with a few reasonable Republicans? Should you keep this unorganized circus with your ring leader off in his own ring singing his poems?</p>
<p>I’m not sure what you should do. I’d like to see some actual reform though.</p>
<p><strong>Congress to cut funding for KSM trial in NY<a href="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Friday-News-Wrap-up-9.jpg" rel="lightbox[1685]" title="Friday News Wrap-up "><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-1702" title="Friday News Wrap-up " src="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Friday-News-Wrap-up-9-150x150.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="150" /></a><br />
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<p>Every time anyone asks Obama or anyone in his admin a question about trying KSM in civilian court, they duck the question and assure us he’ll be convicted and executed. So if this is just going to be a $1 billion show trial – why not just <em>“have the trial”</em> (wink-wink)? You know &#8211; take a few days off, <em>“have the trial,”</em> print up some transcripts and stuff, execute the bastard, and use the $1 billion on some new Predator drones or something.</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Friday-News-Wrap-up-10.jpg" rel="lightbox[1685]" title="Friday News Wrap-up"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-1704" title="Friday News Wrap-up" src="http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Friday-News-Wrap-up-10-300x225.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="225" /></a>Don’t ask don’t tell – once again up for debate</strong></p>
<p>What part of “don’t ask don’t tell” is so hard to understand?</p>
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